Hello, first thank you for the great customer support on the Hunter tough toys Gorilla. Your customer support section is top notch which is why you are getting a 4 and not a 3 which is what I think the product should get. The Apa is better than the Gorilla I had originally purchased but the tough toys do not stay really that good together in the big seams. We have had to reinforce ourself the big seam areas. The covered seams are okay. Now others like us have slightly larger puppies, ours is a 9 month old Labradoodle who loves to play and Tug of War being one of his favorite games. The toy cannot be used for Tug of War. We can toss it around and he can just hold it and cuddle with it. It is a toy to play with alone not in groups.